Great discussion Ben. But we have never been liberal, and neoliberalism has now morphed into neofeudalism. Progressiveness on the other hand is another issue, and it sure looks like those of us who support it have been fooled more than a few times, so yes we are often chumps. Whether we will accept the insanity of Trump is the the billion dollar question. Note: https://medium.com/@daneke/the-fanatical-fascist-fungus-is-upon-us-please-america-wake-up-and-smell-the-jackboot-polish-b81f695a472f