Great discussion Eric. I knew Ken well, he was mostly spot on. However, our Ponzi financial system could never survive without perpetual growth, as insane as it might be. Note: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Greg-Daneke/publication/366486068_The_Paradigm_in_the_Iron_Mask_Toward_an_Institutional_Ecology_of_Ecological_Economics/links/63a38a86e3ff99050d8e3c58/The-Paradigm-in-the-Iron-Mask-Toward-an-Institutional-Ecology-of-Ecological-Economics.pdf